Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. The children were accustomed to regularly taking medication; it would have been very simple for CW to simply give them a couple extra pills to swallow while they were relaxing watching TV after their dinner, and once they were sedated, wrap a plastic bag around their heads. Who and/or what are we dealing with here? Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? She also wanted to make her marriage work. The Watts murders got to me also. Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. Some people believe his story that Shannan killed the kids like he said. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. I hope he gets what he deserves while he is in prison!!!!!! Sociopaths/Covert narcissists wreak havoc and(emotional) destruction on those around them without exception. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. It is most likely that the girls were dead by 6 PM Sunday night already, which was why Chris couldnt reschedule the murders as soon as he heard ShanAnns flight would be delayed, thereby cutting dangerously into his cleanup time. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? Makes sense since Shanann has zero marks indicating a struggle, I thought from the jump that she wasnt even awake when he killed her. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. Or do you believe his lies, that she harmed the kids and then he did same to her? You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Im a survivor. Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. In reading about this case it would never occur to me to smother somebody in such a fashion. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. Did you live with them? He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. They were smothered. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. But thats me. Why does there always gotta be one of those? I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? He didnt flip. She didnt try to bite him? I agree with you Jessica Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. He dug the grave with a shovel. Cause if it was the way CW said she would have fought back. Lack of petechiae. Are you a parent? Nick Van Der Leek is the owner of this site and you are invited to comment, which is a privilege and we should be grateful. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. Watts pleaded guilty to murdering Shanann, Celeste and Bella to avoid the death penalty. How do THESE people know? Then I think he went into the girls rooms. He organized the bins in the basement. The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. Cuz if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. The breast get sore , and large during pregnancy, and for me at least, it was more comfortable to have them supported and padded. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Said it was part of the decomposition process. He was all over the house. It could be all the thrive he was taking. What was Shananns cause of death? He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. What are the odds???? And did you mention that the 6 weeks Shannan was in NC with her girls that your Hero Chris Watts was enjoying 6 weeks of being single with his girlfriend, and that was the turning point in their marriage? The police reports contain several photos showing the oil drums where the childrens bodies were found. GREELEY, Colo. Authorities released Monday the autopsy reports of Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. Im just not comfortable sleeping without it. . I also believe he would have thought out a better place to bury them. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. 2. She is OCD and very ritualistic in nature. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. Ive considered morphine [since Shanann was a lupus sufferer, and needed strong pain meds], but morphine should have come up in the autopsy. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. So what are you saying? He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. Jami I have 1 question for you. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? What about rigormortis?. In the majority of cases of asphyxiation, petechiae are formed, and Shanann exhibited none. They said they found paper bags around both her hands. Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. The second dog also had a housetraining mishap in the basement. I had assumed all the way through that he had used a pillow. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Thankyou. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. Googled ways to suffocate children? A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. I think he killed the girls at the worksite. If youre not OCD, it doesnt mean Shanann wasnt. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. I slept in my bras with all four of my pregnancies. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. He says with a halphazard yeah she was like for sure gone, she was blue, and no beats, no breaths, nothing. Cyril Wect is an expert who always talks about how drowning victims have water in their lungs ONLY if they are alive during drowning and not completely dead !!!!!! I have no insight? I think His story is believable. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? Maybe body positioning and gravity? THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. Since its clear CW is a flagrant coward, I am finding it hard to imagine him having enough courage to have looked at her eye to eye while he was strangling her. First of all- the digestive tract is long. He found her phone between the cushions. Maybe he lost patience with her. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. And then it was turned off. Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. I always wondered why she didnt fight back, too. I wondered if there was a fight, Bella saw him strangle her mother and ran into the basement to hide from him. Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. Dont jump on me buthear me bnb ot, I believe Chris. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. I lived with one. The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! A history of this procedure could easily go unnoticed during an autopsy. Bella has oil in her stomach but Celeste doesnt. He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. He vacuumed twice a day. I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? I actually don't understand this and would think the opposite would actually be true. Chris said that she often went straight to bed without showering after a flight, saying that shed shower and wash bedding to rid it of the airport in the morning. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. I believe she was probably sleeping when he smothered her. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. It was on an automatic answering thing. Smothering is albeit horrific, a more a gentle or approach that a mother may take. But I want to know so badly the time of death. Not as bright. I dont think enough people are looking at the theory that Chris had flipped a switch with her in the days leading to her death. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. Her spouse has a religious obsession/addiction; I think youll see similarities. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. Chris and or others..I tend to agreeShan ann was imodefinitely disabled at some pointBella maybe not..she fought hard. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. Therefore your theory is not valid. Page 453 Its in the autopsy x. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. Not whether you or most people would or wouldnt do that do you think Shanann was the type of person to do that? Kaye, this sounds plausible. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. 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