No, to the rising tides. Yeah. about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk, poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us. and hand, the space between. Tippett: I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. no one has been writing the year lately. So would you read, its called Before, page 46. And were you writing The Hurting Kind during the pandemic and lockdown? The podcast's foundation is the same as the groundbreaking radio concept. I think we all came a little bit more alive. I never go there very much anymore. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. She hosts the On Being podcast and leads The On Being Project, a non-profit media and public life initiative that pursues deep thinking and moral imagination, social courage and joy, towards the renewal of inner life, outer life, and life together. Shes teaching me a lesson. And I knew that at 15. And I want you to read it. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge We are located on Dakota land. Tippett: So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. I mean, thats how we read. On Being with Krista Tippett | 5 minute podcast summaries on Apple . And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. And it sounds like thunder? I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. But I think theres so much in this poem thats about that idea that the thesis thats returned to the river. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. Okay. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. We were brought together in a collaboration between Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Milkweed Editions. red glare and then there are the bombs. and isnt that enough? We want to rise to what is beautiful and life-giving. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. Or call 1-800-MY-APPLE. Join these two friends and interpreters of the human condition for . And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. Maybe that speaks for itself. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. And then a trauma of the pandemic was that our breathing became a danger to strangers and beloveds. But we dont need to belabor that. And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. Tippett: Yeah, it was completely unnatural. But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. should write, huge and round and awful. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. This means that I am in a reciprocal relationship with the natural world, not that it is my job to be the poet that goes and says, Tree, I will describe it to you.. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we've only begun to process and fathom. Yeah. no hot gates, no house decayed. Page 20. Oh, thank you. And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. @KristaTippett is the host of @OnBeing podcast and a NYTimes bestselling author. Thats how this machine works. I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-. The Pause. Oh, Im stressed. Oh, if you want to know about stress, let me tell you, Im stressed., Limn: I like to tell my friends when they say theyre really stressed, Ill be like, Oh, I took the most wonderful nap. Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, So at this point in my notes, I have three words in bold with exclamation points. The Fetzer Institute, supporting a movement of organizations applying spiritual solutions to societys toughest problems. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. Her presence on that stage was electric. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow. We journalists, she wrote, "can summon outrage in five words or Limn: I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. Good, good. 4.07 avg rating 5,187 ratings published 2016 20 editions. [laughs]. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. Where being at ease is not okay. Why that color? Talk about any of the limits of language, the failure of language. We want to do that where we live, and we want to do it walking alongside others.. red helmet, I rode Tippett: Yeah. But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full Exit And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. But I love it. [laughs] And I think Id just like to end with a few more poems. Jen Bailey, and so many of you. Before the apple tree. A friend, lover, come back to the five-and-dime. of thee, enough of bosom and bud, skin and god snaking underneath us as we absentmindly sing I just saw her. Good conflict. Technology and vitality. Helping to build a more just, equitable and connected America one creative act at a time. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). I think thats something we didnt know how to talk about. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. What is the thesis word or the wind? Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. Tippett: And then Joint Custody from The Hurting Kind. Tippett: Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Only my head is for you. When you find a song or you find something and you think, This. Copyright 2023. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. And I think Id just like to end with a few more poems. Peabody Award-winning host Krista Tippett presents a live, in-person recording of the wildly popular On Being podcast, featuring guest speaker Isabel Wilkerson. Tippett: And I also just wondered if that experience of loving sound and the cadence of this language that was yours and not yours, if that also flowed into this love of poetry. Also because so much of whats been and again, its not just in the past, what has happened, has been happening below the level of consciousness in our bodies. beneath us, and I was just And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. We literally. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. the pummeling of youth. On Being, which began on public radio, has been named a best podcast by The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Guardian, the Webbys, iHeart Radio with more than 400 million downloads. Yeah. "On Being," a weekly interview show about the mysteries of human existence, hosted by Krista Tippett, airs on nearly 400 public radio stations, with more than half a million weekly listeners . And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. Limn: Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. And then you can also be like, Im a little anxious about this thing thats happening next week. Or all of these things, it makes room for all of those things. And shes animated by questions emerging from those loves and from the science she does which we scarcely know how to take seriously amidst so much demoralizing bad ecological news. I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. We endeavor to make goodness and complexity riveting. Limn: That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. It comes back to these questions of like, Why do I get to be lucky in this way? [audience laughs] But instead to really have this moment of, Oh, no, its our work together to see one another. They bring us together with others, again and again. Every Thursday a new discovery about the immensity of our lives and frequent special features like poetry, music and Q + A with Krista. a certain light does a certain thing, enough Yeah. We prioritize busyness. And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. Amidst all of the perspectives and arguments around our ecological future, this much is true: we are not in the natural world we are part of it. We havent read much from, , which is a wonderful book. big enough not to let go: And thats also not the religious association with Sunday, right? Once it has been witnessed And when you say I know one shouldnt take poems apart like this, but The thesis is the river. What does that mean? enough chiaroscuro, enough of thus and prophecy And they would say, I dont want to go to yoga. And I was like, Why? And they said, I just dont want anyone telling me when to breathe. [laughter] But its true. even the tenacious high school band off key. Tippett: And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. We journalists, she wrote, can summon outrage in five words or less. You boiled it down. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. Her six books of poetry include, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her book. Yeah. [laughter] Were like, Ugh, I feel calmer.. Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? Limn: When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. And it was an incredible treat to interview her before 1,000 people, packed together in a concert hall on a cold Minnesota night. Before the new apartment. This definitely speaks to that. I just saw her. lover, come back to the five-and-dime. I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. So anyway, I got The Hurting Kind, the galley in the mail from Milkweed. Tippett: I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. Something that you reflect on a lot that I would love to just draw you out on a bit is I think people who love language the most, and work with language, also are most intensely aware of the limits of language, and thats partly why youre working so hard. As we turn the corner from pandemic, although we will not completely turn the corner, I just wanted to read something you wrote on Twitter, which was hilarious. On Being with Krista Tippett. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, Creativity. Her six books of poetry include, most recently, The Hurting Kind. enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough Also: Kristin Brogdon, Lindsey Siders, Brad Kern, John Marks, Emery Snow and the entire staff at both Northrop and the Ted Mann Concert Hall of the University of Minnesota. Or theres just something happens and you get all of a sudden for it to come flooding back. Theres daytime silent when I stare, and nighttime silent when I do things. Limn: Yeah. is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. I'm not often one for Schadenfreude, but I may have felt it a bit yesterday, when friend told me that they'd heard NPR announce that Krista Tippett 's "On Being" Show, which I've railed against for years, is finally ending its two-decade stint on NPR. Krista Tippett, host of award-winning NPR program "On Being", and poet David Whyte discusses several of the life-sized concepts addressed in Tippet's book, _. But its also a land that is really incredibly beautiful and special and sacred in a lot of different ways. But he is driven by passionate callings older and deeper than his public vocation as an actor and comedian. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. I am a hearth of spiders these days: a nest of trying. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. There is also an ordinary and abundant unfolding of dignity and care and generosity, of social creativity and evolution and breakthrough. In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. by being not a witness, When you find a song or you find something and you think, This. Interesting. If you are here, you are likely already part of this. I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Limn: Yeah, that was true. [laughter]. But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. My familys all in California. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, Before the ceramics in the garbage. and gloss. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? Page 40. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. the trash, the rolling containers a song of suburban thunder. If you would like to hear an uplifting message at a time of global difficulty, come hear Krista Tippett speak at Central Congregational Church in Providence RI at 6:30 pm, Saturday, December 3. a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. In generational time, they are stitching relationship across rupture. Centuries of pleasure before us and after And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. The thesis has never been exile. Tippett: Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. Its wonderful. Its the . Tippett: I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. We want to meet what is hard and hurting. And then I would be like, Okay, I was there. And the next day Id wake up and be like, Well, I was there yesterday. We have been in the sun. to pick with whoever is in charge. And thats also not the religious association with Sunday, right? now even when it is ordinary. This is like a self-care poem. I think that there is a lot about trying to figure out who we are with ourselves. Seems like a good place for a close-eyed Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. So its actually about fostering yourself in the sun, in the right place, creating the right habitat. Thats such a wonderful question. Limn: And I love it, but I think that you go to it, as a poet, in an awareness of not only its limitations and its failures, but also very curious about where you can push it in order to make it into a new thing. At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. [2] Her guests include the 14th Dalai Lama, Maya Angelou, Mohammed Fairouz, Desmond Tutu, Thich Nhat Hanh, Rosanne Cash, Wangari Maathai, Yo-Yo Ma, Paulo Coehlo . For her voice of insistent honesty and wholeness and wisdom and joyfulness. We are located on Dakota land. And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. The On Being Project It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. So I want to do two more, also from. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. chaotic track. And then to do it on top of really global grief, that is a very kind of different work because then you think, Well, who am I to look at this flower? When you open the page, theres already silence. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. So well just be on an adventure together. I will trust the world and I will feel at peace. And this time, what came to me as I stood and looked at the trees was that Oh, it isnt just me looking. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. like something almost worth living for. Our younger listeners have asked to hear adrienne maree browns voice on On Being, and here she is, as we enter our own time of evolution. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. No shoes and a glossy I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? Ada Limn reads her poem, "Dead Stars.". And so much of what were seeing brings us back to intelligence that has always been in the very words we use gut instinct, for instance. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world of healing we are all called to receive and to give. , the galley in the mail from Milkweed. I cannot reverse it, the record In me, a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Limn: And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. So its a very special place. But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving, into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit, in an endless cave, the song that says my bones. I also think aging is underrated. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. the date at the top of a letter; though And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. With. It suddenly just falls apart, and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. Or, Im suffering, or Right. It is still the wind. edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. And I think its in that category. Nov 19, 2022, 8:00pm PST. We prioritize busyness. Unknown. There is so much actionable knowledge in the tour of the ecosystem of our bodies that Kimberley Wilson takes us on this hour. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Just the title of this, I feel is such an invitation and not the kind of invitation that was being made. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said, No. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. So its a very special place. Krista Tippett has spent more than a decade exploring important questions of life, questions that often involve faith, science and spirituality on her popular radio program and podcast, "On Being." Can you locate that? And that was in shorter supply than one would think. I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. She trained as a doctor in a generation that understood death as a failure of medicine. So we have to do this another time. I wonder if Im here again today or in a new place. And that was really essential to my practice of who I was as a creative person in the middle of such an enormous tragedy. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. I am too used to nostalgia now, a sweet escape. Return like a word, long forgotten and maligned. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful Ocean Vuong right on the cusp of that turning, in March 2020, in a joyful and crowded room full of podcasters in Brooklyn. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. We live in a world in love with the form of words that is an opinion and the way with words that is an argument. But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our Foundations for Being Alive Now. So it had this kind of wonderful way of existing in an aliveness of a language, aliveness of a second language as opposed to just sort of a need to get something or to use. And this, it turns out, is also a primary source of his tethering in values. Transcription by Alletta Cooper Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. I wrote in my notes, just my little note about what this was about, recycling and the meaning of it all. I dont think thats . Right. And here was something that was so well crafted and people to this day will say its one of the most expert villanelles ever written its so well crafted, and yet it doesnt actually offer any answers. capture, capture, capture. I love it that youre already thinking that. So Im hoping. Is it okay? The danger of all poets and I think artists in general, is it some moment we think we dont deserve to do this work because what does it do? Our conversations create openings. Tippett: I love that. Weve come this far, survived this much. But let me say, I was taken, back and forth on Sundays and it was not easy, but I was loved each place. I really love . The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. Why did I never see it for what it was: And this is about your childhood, right? Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. Page 20. with their fish tanks or eight-tracks or And place is always place. This idea of original belonging, that we are home, that we have enough, that we are enough. And I think about that all the time. I love that you do this. Yeah. And its a very interesting thing to be a kid that goes back and forth, and Im sure many people have this experience or have had that experience, where youre moving from one home to another. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. Limn: Yeah, I was convinced. I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. a finalist for the National Book Award. Silence, which we dont get enough of. If you think about it, its not a good My grandmother is 98. like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung Jen Bailey, and so many of you. They bring our nervous system and heartbeat and breath into sync and even into sync with other bodies around us. Tippett: I also think aging is underrated. and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, It makes room for all of these things that can also be It holds all the truths at once too. And then you go, Oh no, no, thats just recycling. So thats in the poem. 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