Most rangers will tell you a $50. These lions belong there. Department spokesperson Peter Tira told LA Times: "It's been a day-to-day, hourly kind of situation. rather hungry bears stalking, attacking, and then attempting to eat human beings. You should also use common sense when traversing through these areas by avoiding mannerisms that could be interpreted by a bear that youre easy prey. Hard cast bullet are the best for bear defense, they will penetrate like nothing else out there. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) The Complicated Truth About Mountain Lion Encroachment. FL). While out horseback riding, I cant tell you how many rattlers Ive killed rattlers with my 9mm. My hunting partner puts his faith in the Colt .45, and it will get the job done. The examination of the animal, believed to be about 3 years old, suggests it was an opportunistic predator and not starving because deer, its natural prey, had been over-hunted, as . A mountain lion killed some goats about a half mile from us. My only proof of that assertion goes back 17 years when I was unkowingly walking my blind dog very near a collared grizzly sow with two cubs. Now thats an appropriate comment. What part of the state? Rain, Wind, Snow all those things can and will reduce the effectiveness of Bear Spray much more than they would affect the employment of a firearm. Something doesnt fit here. 44 mag power in a high cap auto loader. I sure wanted to sit and talk to him about all the storys they brought back. Alfredo Gonzalez, 60 . The experience led me to think about bear, cougar, and moose encounters that can happen on my property. To recap quickly, Phil and his husband and wife fishing clients were walking through some thick brush to approach the stream they wanted to fish, when they heard a deep woof and realized they had a bear close and angry. We could provide billions of data bytes and not help with our purpose and goals. My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. He saw a seasoned Ranger carry the same rigging and said that was good enough for Him. I would recomend holding off until the bear is so close that he would be hard to miss and then not shooting any higher than nostril level. 10 mm. As to the power of black bears, I shot a big boar with a 240 grain CVA slug at about 60 yards. A few years back I went to Alaska, rented a 44 pickup camper,& spent 6 weeks in the boondocks, with only my wife. Sounds like you have everything covered. I asked what type of Rifle he carried. Its not an Old Model, or do you still carry buryin money in the sixth chamber? I call BS. If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. Federal, A long barrel revolver or pistol in very close quarters. 10 mm HAH why not hit the Bear with your Purse? State officials have issued a permit allowing a rancher to kill P-45, a mountain lion believed to be responsible for the recent killings of livestock near Malibu, Calif. (National Park Service via AP) No thanks. At least .40 caliber, 300 grains and 1,000 fps. I probably keep the fine folks at Magpul in business with my 50, 40 and 30 mag purchases. I havent tried it, but maybe a cut down .454 case to .45 Colt length would help with that. Its not the bear in the fight, its the fight in the bear. Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. For the most part, good info. The Marine carried an AR15/M4 .223 REM/5.56MM. Your 9mm, .38 spl. A friend who guided in Alaska and the northwest, that experienced a number of charges over the years, told me that at 300 yds, a well placed 06 round would do the job, at 200 yds a 300 Win. Brian M.- I also did the same thing with my Glock 21 accept I started with the 45 Super cartridge. But also a few manufacturers that load plus P 45 Colt rounds that are every bit as powerful as the 44 magnum. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. These were not accidental sow with cubs, surprised a bear in a dumpster, etc. lever action 44 mag) . I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. That long pipe makes for a heavier gun, but Im OK with that because the additional sighting distance and small velocity gain are both appreciated. That said, I wish someone would come up with a good ballistic gel/trauma plate simulated bear and test out everything from .22 LR to all the Dirty Harry stuff, .44 Mag and up. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Certainly a .22 is enough to kill anything if you shoot it in the head point blank. When the smoke cleared the bear knew where I was (on the ground) and headed my way. And I do practice dry fire and shoot whatever is the cheapest ammo I can find around time. Theres no chemical on this planet that will stop a determined grizzley, only a fool would bet his life on an aerosol. Also, my pre-1982 He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. Size. Any thoughts on this combo for bear country? Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. Exactly. the game warden. Carry big. The study found that adult male lions were more likely to kill less but bigger prey than females. Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. They could see the best place to setup before the Mosquito came out. Then when we were at Cabelas, I compared the photo on my phone to all the cougar mounts and none came anywhere close. I live in Alaska. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. 7.6225 Red Army Standard 86gr. No bear or cubs life is worth a human life. I was able to aim and take the shot; it tore me up having to kill that nuisance bear that should have been relocated. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. next fly out someplace and sleep in a tent than write something that means something. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. As an Army veteran, I had no problem with my shot placement just my faith in loads. I looked at my knife on my hip and quickly decided thst wouldnt work. I carried a 454 casull in Alaska heavy l now carry a glock 20 10mm 15 rounds even if I dont stop the bear shooting all the way to the end just makes me fell better. None of the planned gun laws have any impact on bolt-action rifles as far as I'm aware (except perhaps limiting magazine capacity if it has one), and to be extra safe you could get a bolt-action rifle without a detachable magazine. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. They only penetrated a 1/4 of an inch, while the .357 round went through the skull and ended up about nine inches deep in the neck. Which one are you going to use first? Mace or a .45 Colt? Sep 25, 2007. Bear spray works on mountain lions, and the concept behind its usage remains the same for many large carnivores. I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. I also recommend if youre down to your last round and the bear is still coming, use the last round on yourself. Who knows? .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. Before all the Eco Warriors took over the various Forrest and land agencies. They did better than most 9mm and only slightly less than a 357. Go to any gunshop youll find plenty of all those calibers for sale, used with very low round counts, wonder why? from the bear. We hadnt thought of that. There are some real men out there who have seen a bear in a zoo and have shot their 500 SW 4 times 6 years ago. Practice with light loads and carry it with one of Pearces 22k psi heavy loads. 9. A large-bore firearm, with tons of practice in real-world scenarios, and to hell with insane local laws that prohibit mags > 15 rounds. A bear spray story- If I gotta shoot something that wants to eat me ! In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. Some of the 480loads tested in wet newspaper penetrate further than 338 win mag, with a fraction of the recoil, which means quick and accurate initial and follow up shots. Once at night on a fishing trip in the beartooths we had a grizzly fooling around out side the tent, Out I went with my trusty .475 in one hand and a flashlight in the other. Option to use 45 colt 454 cas and 460 mag. within the last 30 years, this doesnt necessarily need to apply to civilians. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. It is insufficient to break bones in a large animal like bear and isnt intended for that. Another survivalist carried a lever action .357 MAG rifle. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. I wasnt sure if the .357 was really optimal for bear spanking as my father, a hunter and 23 year US Army Combat Veteran would say and couldnt bring myself to splurge on either 10mm or something in the .44 magnum ranges. The way I see it there exists no substitute for accuracy, proper shot placement, and Big bears do not get big being stupid around people. C. After a Loss Depredation Permit Process. He said he was not scared of all the trips he made. They were highly experienced survivalists. I was carrying my S&W M-57 4 inch gun. For College Campuses! Do you have a rare 5-shot model, or just down to your last five cartridges for the photo shoot? Even for dispatching The ultimate outcomeof this predatory performanceisn't clear, but watching a puma stalking a pair of bull elk makes for an unforgettable sighting. would have killed him by a horrible mauling! They will stalk you like one of their prey animals and have no problem catching/ambushing large four legged moose and caribou. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. When Ruger made a new .45 LC Redhawk capable of firing .45 ACP, I told myself I want one of those. He said while the animal tried to bite Pauls head, it didnt actually do it, only slightly clawing the boys back. On average, a mountain lion killed one deer a week. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. As far as I am concerned the best handgun for a person is one they are familiar and competent with. The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. When the smoke cleared the bear was on its back waving its legs. And maybe just maybe you walk away on the top side of the ground. Lets hope that we can all avoid the threat of mauling, but if youre unfortunate enough to have it happen to you, be prepared. If you choose a 9mm in bear country, you dont want hollow points but maybe something like Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetratorwith its solid copper bullet. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. He agreed the animal was huge. Phil, I cant locate that corner; theres a ******bear down there! Now, as surveyors, we carry machetes to cut the brush in between our survey stations, and we are rather proficient with them. For small game, a 38 Spcl. Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. So dont go shooting just for fun especially on Kodiak. Anyway, Ive had my share of sleepless nights in a tent in Alaska and try to heed to basics keep food well away from camp, cook away from camp, dont camp on trails, avoid cubs like the plague, if approached give ground, etc. with my S&W 500 magnum. 9mm & 38? God Bless old Friend. Bobcat tracks will be much smallerless than 2 inches wide . If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. They have great hunting senses that help them spot prey along with sharp claws and powerful bites. # 3. They can be found throughout the state apart from the southeastern desert and the Central Valley. You might not have the accuracy from the first two mentioned as you would the latter, but at the close range that a bear attack would occur I think that would be a moot point. Most of the time if all you are trying to do is keep the bears from attacking you, wear bells on your clothing as the old timers did. Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . The bfr is very easy shooting postal and extremely accurate. We live in a world that has an exploding human population and dangerous animals are always the losers. If I know ahead of time that Im heading into black bear country, I like to carry my big handgun: a Ruger Blackhawk, chambered in .45 Colt, stainless finish with a 7 -inch barrel. A neighbor, 1/2 mile away lost some pheasants to one. The next stage of the disease results in paralysis. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Fortunately I was about 80 yds. Eventually, Ill get around to getting a .460 Rowland kit and chest holster for my 1911 and start taking that instead. One would shoot the bear with a 22 rimfire: often a single shot, while his partner would harpoon the bruin to prevent it sinking. A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. Your bear protection gun is never going to be your regular carry gun, no long afternoons firing box after box it is a single purpose tool. The entire time I was a patrol officer, 5 years, I carried a revolver. There are many rifles to go with other calibers that would be nice to have same caliber bullet in pistol and rifle (i.e. Young cubs are emerging for the first time, and mothers are ultra-protective. Mountain lions are very dangerous animals that are capable of killing creatures larger than themselves. Very interesting. Equipped with piano wire springs, the wisely designed transfer bar and adjustable sights, I am very confident with this pistol in hand. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. Nobody sane confronts a bear with a pistol, the 480 is not perfect for the job. In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. And its usually charging you in a self-defense situation where youre trying to penetrate all that meat, gristle and bone in the way of its vital organs. However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. The lion had killed the livestock but had not eaten them, The Mercury News reported. Hunters must contact a CPW office within 48 hours of a lion . Weve got them here in the Central Mountains of Utah. I have three loads that I shot, 200 gr. Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. One thing that does not get mentioned much is that Y pattern that a charging bears head presents makes for a difficult target to hit. After all that I have come to some conclusions about killing things with a handgun. 1400+ fpm with a 140-grain FMJ bullet out of a 4.5-inch barrel. Yes! Oct. 14, 2020 6:15 PM PT. Florida State Lawmakers Introduce 'Constitutional Carry', The Staccato CS Brings Real Performance to the Concealed, Meet ROSE: SIG SAUER's Complete Concealed Carry Solution for, Honolulu Issues First Concealed Carry License. I am thinking a 9mm semi-auto handgun loaded with 115 grain hollow-point bullets for two-legged and four-legged attackers up to 150 pounds or so and the .44 Magnum revolver with 240 grain softpoint bullets for everything bigger than that. Bears do not like facing off with skunks because their nose and eyes are two of their more sensitive parts. My wife carries an old Model 60. Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. Nine for the bear and the 10th for me if the nine didnt work. He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. Of the pistols that you listed carry the one you shoot best. counter-shrunk chambers, and original factory Goncalo Alves target grips. To purchase a sidearm for bear country on GunsAmerica, click here. Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. Mag seemed the best choice, at 100 yds a 375 H&H appeared even better, and at 25 feet a 155 mm didnt seem large enough! Really. Id be packing heat. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. I load them to just over 1,200 fps. All of these four-legged animals that have attacked humans are in my state: just my 2 cents. Can mountain lions jump? This one took exception.) Id have gladly traded it for a snub-nose .38 Special. Great article, even better advise-44 mag super redhawk will be on my side when the opportunity comes my way. WLN LBT even at long ranges with factory twists. Too many horses, the federal government says, are crowding the scraps of . On a personal note I dont like Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. Theres no such thing as overkill. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. For actual hunting a big bear, 375 H&H; I guess I love the classics. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. Oaf, that was funny! ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . Your .357 magnum should be fine and easier to get off a second shot on target. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. I some what agree. Remember one thing in Bear country. I remember clearly, back in 2002, while surveying in the foothills of the Berkshires a young employee came running up from the point he was supposed to locate, toward the survey instrument I was running. What did you have I asked, he said he had a .454 Casull in a shoulder harness. Feature Articles, Of course you can imagine the hysterical reactions that suggestion creates.. Thank you! I own a 45 Colt Ruger Bisley with a 5 1/2 inch barrel ,among other larger caliber handguns , and it is far and away my favorite for handgun hunting or a defensive woods gun. Ive racoons hunted quite a bit and upon shooting healthy racoons they either crash dead or make as fleet of an escape as the wounds will allow. They understood the dangers. I dont think it is funny to not mention bear spray. Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. Absolutely. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. In any case, the uncle deserves commendation for shooting straight in a tense situation. 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. coyotes The video shows the mountain lion sneaking up around a corner behind an unsuspecting deer and rapidly tackling it to the ground, before dragging it off by its neck. Dont immediately dismiss bear spray from consideration. most likely you sleep in your rig also. With speed loaders in the hands of a competent shooter, the revolver can be reloaded almost as quickly as a pistol. Penetration and shot placement are king. The .38 Special is the revolver equivalent of the 9X19 semiauto pistol round, which is, after all, only three years newer a development. Is it a powerhouse, as a bear cartridge? Although the species is protected, landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. 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