We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. First Baptist Church has had problems for years. These included a lack of transparency at the church, absence of vetted elders, and the public maligning of former longtime pastor, Hayes Wicker. In 2016, under the leadership of its former pastor, the church changed its bylaws to adopt the85%approval rule, instead of a simple or super-majority, Stearns continued. United States While methods may change, our commitment to Biblical doctrine is a non-negotiable. Location Berean Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church located in the beautiful community of Naples, Florida, just south of Ft. Myers. #JemelRoberson https://t.co/Y1dMXQY33N, But the Group of Concerned FBNC Members, citing the tweet, said Hayes should be questioned about his relationship with first responders, specifically police, "and his thoughts on such topics as Ferguson, police shootings involving people of color, etc. First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church, that raises up the next generation of disciple makers, church planters, missionaries, and world changers, to reach Naples to the Nations. We need to see people as fellow human beings made in the image of God. However, CT said it was not able to confirm whether Biltmore Church received such communications. fell short of the 85% vote required to install him as a pastor. to be clear. In closing, I dont desire to argue with anyone; i have nothing to gain. The church by-laws allow for the expulsion of members without consulting the entire church body. To donate, click here. Been here 25+ times. Find Best Western Hotels & Resorts nearby Sponsored. And before you go tagging me as a racist, I am in a biracial marriage myself. Our constitution and bylaws stated that a Senior Pastor must be affirmed by at least an 85% or higher vote. Upvote 1 Downvote. The power plays, ego trippin (yes, I did say trippin), greed, pride, etc., has been going on throughout church history. Greear, who had written a letter of recommendation for Marcus Hayes, called the open letter by FBC Naples leadership a bold, Gospel-faithful response of the leadership of FBC Naples. Greear added, Let us be united in lament that any vestige of this kind of sinful prejudice remains in our churches., Also, Danny Akin, president of SBC-affiliated Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (SEBTS), described the open letter as a strong and redemptive word from FBC Naples.. Even Jesus said so much when he talked a man who started building a tower without counting the cost. church as large as FBC Naples. Wicker said he was shocked by the accusations, but instead of fighting, he tendered his resignation. Stop reading things into what a person says or writes (Im sure you will do this to me) as being racist. First, I didnt think it was fair to put a new pastor in the midst of such corruption and confusion. Select the event you would like to attend below: FRIDAY, Dec 9 (7pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. He shared some examples, including one from a woman who said the church had failed to check Hayes' Twitter account and called him a "radical leftist. The FBC Naples leaders vowed to deal with this sinful cancer and added that church discipline had already started. This man and his family cannot set foot onto church property, he will never again be able to address a congregation where so many hold him in the highest of esteem. "Misinformation, fear, and ignorance of social media platforms played a role in the voting, and we, as a church family, are dealing with those issues.". I will say this with as much humility as I can muster at this time.The letter from FBCN was a lie! All of the events need to be understood in the context of the overriding event and the church governance that permitted this to happen. Rather than bringing members who are accused of sin before the church body for examination, members are being removed from the church rolls through actions taken directly by deacons and pastoral staff without a vote of the church body. I would know. Wicker responded with a 16-page letter refuting the charges against him. Christianity Today (CT) reported in November that Neil Dorrill had claimed at a Q&A session that inappropriate emails had been sent to Hayess church in North Carolina, Biltmore Church. Jonathan Akin is also national director of young leaders for SBCs North American Mission Board. Last fall, First Baptist Church (FBC) Naplesa prominent Southern Baptist megachurch in southwest Floridamade national headlines for rejecting an African American pastoral candidate because of some alleged racist members. I also find it interesting that Dorrills past financial misdeeds didnt seem to be a problem for the dissenters until the Hayes vetting process. We have known Hayes & his family as good Christian people etc.for over 25 years. How about Luke 16:11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? Men who run a church into so much debt that it is soon bankrupt with one plague of pestilence, why do we believe Jesus gave such man any true riches or wisdom at all? Since the failed vote, other allegations have surfaced. We reached out to leaders at FBC Naples about a dozen times, seeking evidence for the racism charge, as well as comment on other issues at the church, but no one responded. Wicker said Dorrill banned him from pastoral search team meetings, and the chairmen of the personnel and finance committees told Wicker his oversight was not needed. Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. Most church experiences, when it comes to a new Senior Pastor, are just that, a celebration and a time of looking forward with hope and optimism to what God has for the future. The churchs Photos See More Hours Mon: 8am - 5pm Tue: 8am - 5pm Wed: 8am - 5pm Thu: 8am - 5pm Fri: 8am - 5pm The congregation must find a way to publicly be able to bring Hayes Wicker and his family back into this fellowship as loved and former members. Soon, one way or another there will be a woke pastor in the pulpit of FBCN. More bluntly What have we done? . However, no evidence of racism has yet been produced. For the church's leadership, "it exposed a sickness in what we characterize as a cancer within our fellowship," he continued in the letter, which also asked for forgiveness from Hayes and his wife and "any other person who has been offended, hurt, or damaged by the outcome" of the vote. If this were a Calvary Chapel organization, or any other offshoot of Chuck Smiths piracy, no one would be surprised. Stephens said neither she nor any member of her family wrote the e-mail, adding that none of the church staff ever reached out or spoke to me. She also said the detectives told her that no criminal actions had taken place.. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive, Naples, FL 34109, U.S. Im not sure why you would describe Dr. Kings sentiments as ridiculous and ungodly. Theres only one human race. (I)t seems from social media posts that, with no investigation, some convention leaders have chosen to believe this narrative, Caudill wrote. God has done great things among us and we believe that greater things are yet to come! However, he stated, In the 22 years I was there (FBC Naples), I never heard a racist commentever. Well Hello!!! It is not necessarily the opinion of any entity by which I am employed, any church at which I am a member, any church which I attend, or the educational institution at which I am enrolled. My heart goes out to his family. close to Wicker, contacted Pulpit & Pen with disturbing details Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors' Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: Hayes did not suddenly abandon his faith in the few months between his announcement that he was stepping aside, as he was being felt led to do, to make room for younger leadership and his sudden dismissal by the FBCN leadership. Only love. SUNDAY, Dec 11 (7pm) Doesnt matter what denomination or race you are, all of this drama is toxic on a nuclear level for the body and spirit and surely the work of Satan himself. During Wickers 27-year tenure, FBC Naples grew from 400 weekly attendance to over 3,000. He didnt have the experience. I guess I missed this one. Our leadership has gone astray, I fear, and those who find the courage to stand up to them have targets on their backs. When I look at Jesus and his disciples I do not see anything that looks as atrocious as this mess. According to the inside source, soon after his employment at FBC Naples ended, Wicker was banned from the church campus. Concerned Members of FBCN says the petition received 800 signatures. It is widely known that an 85% affirmative vote is unusually high. Unfortunately, this did not meet the threshold. Their considerations related to legitimate theological, moral, and political issues. Wicker said that during the meeting, the men confronted him with an anonymous letter that accused Wicker of financial impropriety, such as not tracking his miles on a church-leased vehicle. However, no one even begins to acknowledge that this system is the product of Hayes ministry. It is a populist movement of tremendous influence and minimal accountability. And guess what? For these crimes, he was wrongly treated, humiliated, and denied even basic due process, and most certainly treated anything but Christ like. Wicker spent 27 years as pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples. A representative from the Collier County Sheriffs Office also confirmed that FBC Naples contacted them on July 3 regarding a suspicious incident., Wickers daughter, Allyson Stephens, said that on September 13, two detectives visited her home and questioned her about the Voices of FBCN email. The separation was hardly amicable. The controversy, which quickly spread in religious circles online, has suddenly thrust the North Naples church into an unwelcome spotlight, much to the dismay of some members. First Baptist Naples is, ethnically, a predominantly white church but we are not a racist church.. Grocery. @Bernie Lutchman you are so correct. The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him. Pray for Me; Log In Jesus said that He wants us to all be in unity and that He is building a church. Coffee. Naples, FL 34109 (239) 597-2233. It also appears that the SBC concluded too soon who was in the right. To find sermons, announcements, and other resources, click on the link below. However, leaked If I had known that, there would have been no resignation whatsoever., I was shocked that they would make this immediate. But key conferences and key organizations had a vested interest in sidestepping orthodoxy and demonizing any who pointed that out. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? The shooting drew national headlines, outrage and questions about whether race factored into the officers decision to open fire. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. It isnt white people who have turned on the evil and hate. Nothing new in this article. I saw that simply as a distraction from the devil.. If not please hold your comments. I lived it. It does not suddenly make a point valid or invalid. Dorrill also serves on FBC Naples finance committee. On the surface, Marcus Hayes is a highly recommended pastor who is seemingly qualified for the role. Wade Burleson is also part of the smear campaign, too. hating even the garment polluted by the flesh (Jude 23). In it, the group details questions it has about Hayes' qualifications, his tweets and beliefs. The judge in the case withheld a conviction but gave Dorrill a $10,000 fine and three years probation. When that man runs out of money before completion what is everyone going to say? The film makes note that Marcus Hayes was subsequently ramrodded in Crossroads Church Texas. Marcus D. Hayes, a pastor from Hendersonville, North Carolina, was brought before the church congregation on the weekend of Oct. 26 and 27 by the church'spastor search committee to affirm him as the next senior pastor. "We all realize that the year of 2019 has been very difficult in the life of our church," Dorrill said. SATURDAY, Dec 10 (4pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. Bunch of old white guys with too much time on their hands and too many books in their personal theology libraries. Interesting. FBC Naples also sent several cease and desist letters from prominent law firm, Holland & Knight, to several church members suspected of having involvement with the Voices of FBCN email. There is no room in our Gospel for racism, none whatsoever. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? Trust me, I have been guilty of that very same thing myself and Ive learned the hard way being on the other side. I certainly agree with you wholeheartedly, Grant. The church leadership released a statement explaining how the church membership wasnt supposed to vote their conscience, but rather rubberstamp the search committees recommendation: As most of you know, in Southern Baptist life,when a Senior Pastor comes in view of a call by the recommendation of a Search Committee, the actual vote is most always viewed as a ceremonial and celebratory affirmation of the Spirits leading within the hearts and minds of the Search Committee that has extended the call. If this pastoral candidate supportes a book that divides the church along ethnic lines and stirs up divisions in the body of Christ, it is sad that he received as many votes as he did. Connect with the reporter at patrick.riley@naplesnews.com or on Twitter @PatJRiley. And in 2006, Wicker served as head of the SBC Pastors Conference. Church leadership announced that a new senior pastor was not hired because the nominee failed to meet the 85% approval threshold. From the reporting in this article, it seems clear that more light needs to be shed on events. Our church voted by a percentage of 81 % to bring Marcus Hayes as our next Pastor. action has been taken to enact church discipline on the dissenters because of The Holy Spirit inspired him to write his short epistle to people who were struggling with some of these very same issues. This is a warning to all Southern Baptists. Despite this track record, Wicker said he was shut out of the new pastor selection process. Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. It was all being done vindictively and not in a righteous, godly manner., Concerned families gravitated to the Caudills, who had served in SBC churches for over 50 years. Thank you. Of course they did. With two young children at home, she dedicated her time to being a stay at home mom until 2007 when the Lord opened the door for her to be a preschool teacher at First Baptist Academy in Naples. He didnt rob a liquor store, assault some young person in his office, or do anything wrong that could be cited. This is a clear case of men doing what they can to build their own kingdoms, not Jesus and to manipulate things into their own will being done, again not Jesus. MLKs dream was about us all being seen as equal in VALUE and treated accordingly, regardless of our differences. This ban prevented him from seeing his granddaughter perform in a play being put on at the churchs school, First Baptist Academy. First Baptist Church Naples. And because it promises rewards to individuals and organizations influence, students, platform it is both very hard to criticize and functionally unaccountable to any but its own. "It seems all cops ever see is black," the attorney continued. Sadly, that did not come to fruition. Several"inappropriate emails" were sent to Hayes' home church in North Carolina, including to his ministry assistant and his boss, the senior pastor there, "sharing and establishing that certain groups will not vote for him this weekend without a private meeting in advance to have issues of theirs addressed," Dorrill said at the Oct. 24 event. Enough racists voted against the pastor. and make way for younger leadership to carry the ministry forward. Upvote 3 Downvote. Looking for past sermons? I think this one would have died even if none of this soap opera garbage had taken place. Allegedly he said he was happy to see some people in SBC membership moved to the bottom as others move to the top. We know this because of the campaign that started just days before by a few disgruntled people in our church.. Christians should model justice and love to the world. A racist, leftist marxist movement and which claims blacks were muzzled for 150 years now its whites turn to be face the same treatment. That's why Hayes was not officially approved, when in past years he would have been. Click on the link below to see how you can use your gifts and talents for the Kingdom, from Naples to the nations! "There are no terms to describe what has happened here other than sin. Church leaders at First Baptist Church Naples have blasted a faction of their congregation, alleging "racial prejudices" contributed to a failed vote late last month to name a black man the church's new senior pastor. 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The day after excommunicating the 18 members, FBC Naples lay leadership and pastoral staff sent an open letter to the SBC, accusing some who didnt vote for Hayes, whos a member of the SBC Executive Committee, of racism. The article above has been corrected to identify the group as Voices of FBCN. We also contacted Marcus Hayes and Biltmore Church about the alleged emails but they declined to comment. At least four emails were "broadly sent," he wrote, with others privately sent. Why did the church leadership behave in such an aggressive and dismissive manner? Per the church's constitution and bylaws, a senior pastor must be affirmed by a margin of at least 85% of the vote, but Hayes only garnered 81%of the vote, with 1,552 "yes" votes compared to 365 "no" votes. If it can happen at FBC Naples, it can happen anywhere. Wicker spent 27 years as pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples. Regardless of what specific concerns were held, its important to know that 1) no evidence of genuine racism on the part of those holding them has surfaced, and 2) the efforts these members made to ask questions and express reservations were not taken seriously. Namely Hayes Wicker. If I had known that, there would have been no resignation whatsoever.. For adults and children ages 4+, we offer private and group lessons on the church campus with experienced musicians who are devoted to giving their . Those involved either need to find a way to recover from this, not just cover it up, or decide to step aside for the greater good. In addition, those who have been excommunicated, as well as former Pastor Hayes Wicker, say they feel like their reputations have been sullied. Hayes pastoral appointment of doing so out of racial prejudice and announced that Find a local church Explore; Giving; App; Sign In; Find a Church; Florida; Naples, FL However, at some point the church leadership became hostile to the longtime pastor, according to church members. To that point, no group had met with Hayes or the committee privately, Dorrill continued, before adding to applause from those gathered at the Q&A session: "This will continue to be a transparent search. Dwight McKissic for comment, but none responded. Similarly, SBC president J.D. (Lets not even get into the bullying by church staff) Lets just focus on the by-laws for one second. FBC Naples, Floridas longtime senior pastor Hayes Wicker announced his retirement from pastoring the church in January 2019. Hayes, a black man married to a white woman, We believe all matters of life should be subjected to the Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16). And thats ok. God created me too. ", Dorrill said there had been "a concerted campaign of misinformation filled with destructive and divisive content." An earlier version of this article named the group accused of stealing the email addresses as concerned FBCN members. Of course, it is obvious you have a vested interest in attacking those putting out the facts. God used their faithfulness and devotion to create a mighty ministry through FBCN. Its no wonder why real born again, followers of the Lord Jesus Christ are walking away from churches, not the body of our Lord Jesus, the Ekklesia, but from this mess we call church. The church also launched a schoolFirst Baptist Academy. Other parts of the email laid out concerns the group had with Hayes' tweets about books that deal with race and religion and questioned whether he had the necessary experience to take the post as senior pastor. In June, Voices of FBCN sent an email to many in the church, criticizing the actions of church leadership. Our Pastoral Search Committee, lay leadership, and the Pastoral Staff all anticipated that our vote would be nothing less than an affirmative statement from our people that God had sovereignly chosen for Marcus Hayes to be our next Pastor. Almost unbelievable saga of incompetence. Get directions, reviews and information for First Baptist Church - Naples in Naples, FL. Naples, FL, 34109 Customers Love Us "Great experience! Good Ole Fascist techniques of taking away 1A rights are even occurring within the church. In the email, the group warned that Hayes had endorsed Woke Church, a book that the email claimed was promoting cultural Marxism., The email also objected to Hayes reportedly saying that he rejects the concept that a person can look at a person of color and see no color. The authors wrote, Paul is clear to us in Philippians 3:2-10 that we are to have no confidence in the flesh of our ethnicity.. 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